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Mindset to Market: Holistic Business Tools for Solopreneurs with Deborah C. Smith
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Mindset to Market: Holistic Business Tools for Solopreneurs with Deborah C. Smith
#87 - Manifesting Made Easy: How to Turn Your Biz Dreams Into Reality with Jen Mazer
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In this episode of Mindset to Market, I sit down with my longtime friend, Jen Mazer—known worldwide as the Queen of Manifestation. We dive deep into how manifestation really works (hint: it’s not just vision boards).
If you’ve ever felt stuck in the noise of online business, overwhelmed by comparison, or questioning your worth, this conversation will bring clarity, ease, and a fresh perspective.
Jen breaks down:
- her BEAM framework—belief, expectation, and action
- how we can learn to co-create our desires with the universe
- the 3 steps to manifesting without the hustle or burnout
This episode is perfect for anyone ready to move from “trying” to actually living in alignment with their boldest business dreams.
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Today’s episode feels full-circle. My guest today is Jen Mazer and she and I go back probably about 20 years to what feels like lifetimes ago, when we were both young artists and musicians living on the Lower East Side in Manhattan. So I was thrilled to have her come on the show.
Today, Jen is a renown life coach and manifestation master. She’s a TEDx speaker and has a best selling book called Manifesting Made Easy and who leads her signature program called manifestation masters and she’s widely known as the Queen of Manifestation, and I was so excited to be able to connect with her this conversation in which she brings the gold nuggets on: how to turn desire into results by aligning belief, expectation, and action— and how doing this is a LOT less work then we’re making it.
This convo is loaded with helpful concepts and tools for anyone but Especially for my solopreneurs who’s been working hard, feeling stuck, or wondering why the needle won’t move, this one’s for you. You’ll walk away with practical shifts you can use today—and a truly grounded way to co-create what’s next.
INTRO
All right, ladies and gentlemen, my guest today is the Queen of Manifestation herself. Her name is Jen Maser, and she's helped thousands of visionary leaders turn their biggest dreams into reality.
And really manifest their next level of success for themselves. And what I love the most about what Jen does in her work and what she shared with us through her book and other things that she's created, is that she genuinely combines both the magic and the practicality of this practice of manifestation.
So jen, I am so excited to have you here. Welcome to The Mindset to Market Show. Yay. Thank you for having me, Debra. I love that we get to do this. We've known each other for a long time and so this is fun to this I know, I know, have this conversation.
It's really, um, I have to share before I dive into questions and stuff that I kind of feel like I manifested this myself because. When I first created this podcast, when I first set out to figure out what is it about, who is it for? How am I gonna serve? , I made a short list of , dream guests and you are on that list.
Oh. So, I know my audience is gonna love you and learning about your work.
So, um, just so happy to, to share and showcase everything that you've done. And I actually just wanna kind of go back to the origin for a minute really quickly, just for the audience. You're known now literally worldwide as the queen of manifestation and you've built this incredible business and community, helping people with this practice of manifestation.
But if you wouldn't mind, I'd love to go back to the origin of this path, kind of when you. First had your own big personal aha moment around manifestation and maybe how you discovered that you could actually harness this energy and use it to create and also use it to help other people. Yeah. Well, I didn't have one major aha moment.
I feel like I've always been a manifester, and it started with me growing up as an artist because. My parents nurtured that and I was a skilled visual artist. And so because they affirmed that I thought of myself as an artist, right? I was like, oh yeah, I am a good artist. And as an artist, you visualize what you want before you put it on paper or you create something in the world.
So I definitely had this experience of being able to see things and then create them. Mm-hmm. And in New York, I went to art school at NYU and I. I manifested all these amazing things, but I wasn't like consciously manifesting. It was just my life was just magical and things were happening. And, um, one of the big ones was I manifested living rent free in Manhattan for over 10 years.
Unbelievable. For anyone listening who doesn't know about Manhattan rent prices, manifesting free rent is very big, especially for 10 years. I could still be there if I wanted to. It was my choice to leave. Um, and actually sold that apartment. Um, long story, but I lived there rent free for 10 years and, you know.
Renovated it with my jacuzzi bathtub and my new kitchen. And we had a, a theater downstairs. We converted one of the apartments into this black box theater, and we used to have concerts and shows and plays. And Winton, Maral, the famous jazz musician, would come and play a concert for us every winter. Like around Christmas time, we'd have a potluck and he would play.
. It was so fun. Um, but I had so many stories like that. I manifested, my art was in the New York Times and New York magazine and you know, just people who I used to kind of admire.
Like I was like, my favorite artist was Kiki Smith, who's this visual artist. People are into visual art. And she lived on my block and I was like, oh my gosh, she's my neighbor. Like, she gave me her air conditioner. You know, just like people, you know, like I'm hanging with Deepak Chopper. I'm like backstage at the UN with Whoopi Goldberg or like at a cocktail party with Martin Scorsese.
Just like all these stories would just keep happening. And my friends were at this gathering when it was the New Year's Eve. I remember this so vividly. My friends had this party and they were gonna make like, vision boards, and they, um, wanted me to do like a, a visualization. Like they already kind of knew Jen, like is, you know, really great at manifesting, but they.
They hadn't really coined anything. And my one friend, um, introduced me to the other woman who I didn't know. She said, this is my friend Jen. She's the queen of manifestation. Yes. And that was like, it just kind of clicked. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm the queen of manifestation. And that it took off from there basically like I led this guy to visualization that night and people started to see things they hadn't seen before and then they started happening and, you know, then I did my online program, manifestation Masters and.
Crazy stories of things that people were manifesting, like, you know, seeing a book, um, deal and getting that, you know, book with Hay House Publishing, like exactly as they saw it. I mean, just all these things. Um, and then it led to my private coaching and retreats and, you know, expansion and expansion. So you've been now well over a decade hosting retreats.
Yeah. Other countries go Bali, correct. You go to, yeah. Yeah. We're gonna get in November in case anybody wants to come November 14th to 21st. Really ama Yeah. So the pictures always look so incredibly luxurious. Like it's just this lush, amazing retreat set up. It's so beautiful. Yeah. Well, so manifestation is this sort of, this concept and for people who don't necessarily practice every day, I just wanted to, can we do just what it is, but also what it isn't?
I spend so much time in the online space 'cause I help women really scaffold out. How do you connect with people through technology and platforms, right? Yep. So positive mindset, affirmations, vision boarding.
You already mentioned there's a lot of ways to kind of harness positive energy in our system, but, and I love all those tools and I use all of them every single day. But I do notice that sometimes it's presented as this sort of passive experience. Like people might think that they can say these affirmations out loud and then just sort of like lean back and wait for a miracle to happen.
Yeah, and and I question that a little bit and I ask mostly like, is there a myth about manifestation? That is what it isn't. You know what I mean? Yeah. That is keeping people stuck or maybe even disempowered. A hundred percent. I mean, first of all, I think what's out there, when I first started, you know, 14 years ago as the queen of manifestation, I.
It was like not as much of a buzzword as it is right now. Now manifesting, like everybody's talking about it, it seems like, right. And it's gotten more of this superficial kind of like face of, you know? Yeah. Manifesting and manifestation is just natural. It's literally how the universe works. And so we're all manifesting whether we realize we're manifesting consciously or not.
Right. It's So just to kind of take a step back, um. Vision boarding, which I mentioned in my story. I don't teach. Vision boarding is fun. It's like an art practice, but it's not how you manifest. It's like preschool, right? It's like, you know. Yeah. I think of what I wanted to tap into is, yeah, I feel like there's something bigger happening with manifestation that's easier and it's less work.
It's less work. And um, it's so easy. Which is why my book is literally called Manifesting Made Easy, right? Because we overcomplicate the manifesting process. So let's just talk about how manifesting works for a second. Yeah. So literally when you have a desire for something that you want, most people think like, I manifested it because they're like making that thing happen, and that's not how it works.
So when you have an idea for something that you want, it's not just you. Having this crazy idea, but your imagination is actually how you open up and tune in and receive information. Mm. So I've done like psychic training classes in person. Right. And done little practice exercises where like I would sit across from someone I didn't know and you know, just do a reading.
Right. And when I first started doing this, it felt like I was making it up. I'm like, I was imagining this thing for this other person and I was like, this must be wrong 'cause I'm totally making this up. You know? And then I did this one reading for this woman about her, you know, childhood. And I saw all these horrible things and it's a stranger.
And I was like, I think I'm wrong, but here's what I'm seeing. And you know, she was like, oh my gosh, that's exactly what happened. Right? And so I had this like, oh, this aha moment of we're imagining, but that's, that's her channel to open up and receive. Mm-hmm. That, and so we're all. Walking around as energy towers giving off information and receiving information all the time.
So this like high vibe attracts your tribe, like, you know, magnetizing things. There's some truth to that in that, like you really are, uh, you know, uh, vibrating and giving off and receiving information. Yeah. But in terms of like wifi and how we're all connected, and you and I are talking in different cities right now.
Right on video and it's instantaneous. We're always connected to the universe. We just can't see the connection or we forget that we're connected. But you don't need to reconnect like you are connected. You're always connected. And I love to bring up that documentary that's on Netflix. Fantastic Fungi, because yeah.
Have you seen it? Yeah, I've seen it. The hidden. Network of my ilian mushrooms. That's funny. Yeah. Yeah. But that like idea of the underneath all grass is this like, you know, web, massive web of information that's Yeah. Trees that's helping regenerate forest. Yeah. Yeah. But that's also in the air, that's also, we just can't see it.
But that's the quantum universe, that's the universal field. And you're always connected. And so I know this can be a little like out there, but this is quantum physics, right? You're a hundred percent connected all the time. And so when you manifest, you're, it literally starts with you just being open to your desire and allowing it to come in and receiving the desire because your dream is actually the universe's dream for you.
Mm. You're not making it up. It's, it's the universe's dream for you, and it's up to you to say yes and receive it. Then take action, right? Based on that belief and that dream that you have, so you could receive it and push it away, which is what a lot of people do. It's like, oh, I want that. But no, that could never happen because I'm too old, I don't have enough experience.
Like, whatever, I'm, I don't have enough money. I'm not connected, blah, blah, blah. You know? And so we don't ever do anything and we're closing it off, right? But if we allow it to come in and then we can take aligned action, it's, it's so different. So I have this acronym for manifesting, which is beam, BEAM. So you can like beam yourself up to your dreams.
So it's belief plus expectation plus action equals manifestation. So you have the belief that that desire, and then the expectation piece is. I'm not just imagining, but I'm intuiting. Okay. Because I want, if I go back to that psychic class, yes. This changes it. I see. You're like, huh. Well, I just, I'm, I'm, what I'm feeling is the belief and expectation part are probably where people are very blocked.
Yes. Because what I, it's one of my questions for you is around identity actually. Yeah. I think about this a lot. Like, do you think that people need to actually reevaluate their identity and sort of become someone different to start to step into the belief and the expectation piece? Like do they need to go?
Is it useful to go in and sort of do the deep dive of young life, you know, sort of deeper psychological beliefs that were maybe. Programmed into us as you know, very young life kids. I don't think it's necessary personally, to be honest. You can do that. I think that's like almost an excuse, like I love to just, we, we can start with where you are.
We don't need, yes, it's great. I have like so many clients and private clients who are psychologists and have private practices and you know, really successful and there's so much value in going there. And you don't have to do that to be successful at manifesting, right? It's like if I look at right now, you have infinite possibilities and potential, right?
In this moment, right? And so the expectation piece is like if I'm not imagining and I'm actually intuiting, my dream isn't just my dream, it's going to happen, right? And if I have this belief, even if everybody around me thinks I'm absolutely crazy, but if I'm like, oh, I have the desire to become an author, and I changed that, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna be become an author, like, whoa, it's different because I believe it's gonna happen.
And then it's actually easier to take action. And here's the thing, you're actually less attached. You trust that it's happening. So when I like put, you know, send out my book proposal or you know, reach out to literary agents, I'm not as attached at having to be that one person or that one company because I know ultimately it's all gonna work out.
It's the same thing with dating or you know, whatever it is, like manifesting your home. It's like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna be a homeowner because I have a desire, means I'm tuning in and I'm receiving that dream from the universe. And so I'm less attached to it having to be this one thing, but I can take action.
That's the A believe plus expectation plus action is manifestation. So, 'cause I feel like the action piece is really easy if you believe, if you are having holding the expectation, it's the belief part that I think people probably struggle with or where they get stuck in negative self. , Downward spirals and such, right.
Right. So all of my clients are women currently. I do work with men, love them very much, but right now working with a lot of women and mostly service providers and coaches. Yep. But all of them are solopreneurs, right? Mm-hmm. So they're a big struggle that they face is feeling constantly bombarded with content and comparisons online and Yeah.
What their clients' needs, their family needs. Just the days technical work, like, like just so much information and so much I think, uh, clutter. Yeah. In their mind. And then in addition to that, in that hu very noisy space, there's this struggle to then, like if you're working with, I would call it almost faulty beliefs, right?
Like not believing in yourself, and you have that extreme uphill battle in addition to all the noise. It's pretty hard to. Take those actions that you need to take that, move the needle, reach out to that client to follow up and say, Hey, I sent the proposal a couple days ago. Let me know if you're interested in having another combo.
Or like sales and the actual financial abundance that they're trying to manifest through creating a business gets blocked by this belief getting, I think, jumbled up in just the all the noise. Yeah. Yeah. And an entire day goes by and no needle has moved. Right. And so I've been trying to help my clients really clean that up and see the path ahead of them and really prioritize needle moving tasks.
But almost always it boils down to do they believe that they're worthy of taking those actions? And that seems like it's written right into this acronym, beam belief expectation. You're worthy. Right. You're worthy just because you literally exist. Like you're, there's no mistake in the universe, so you don't need to do anything to prove your worthiness.
You already are worthy. If you have the desire, you're worthy of it, right? Like you don't need to change yourself and you know, whatever. Like you're not too old, it's not too late. Whatever. You are worthy right now for everything that you want. And in terms of like, number one, I heard you say trying, my clients are trying to manifest and I'm trying to help them in manifesting, there's no such thing as trying.
You either are or you aren't. So let's eliminate the word trying from your vocabulary. So everybody listening, you're not trying, if you, if you say you're trying, you don't fully believe it. It shows me, you know what I'm saying, that you're not fully there yet. And so it's like, no, I am doing this. And that's the, that's the thing about, you know, when you have this idea of like.
I'm acting as if, and a lot of people think like acting as if it's like, well fake it till you make it, and that's a fraud. No, you're not a fraud. You're just stepping into it. Mm-hmm. Now, right. So I, one of the things that I know you wanted to talk about was the law of assumption versus the, you know, law of attraction.
And I always say it's a three step process with manifesting. Step number one is getting clear on what you want. Right? What do I want? Okay. So I wanna have, you know, a successful business, or maybe that's a multi-six figure business for, you know, people listening. Right? Number two, how will I feel when I have that thing that I want?
Well, I'll feel abundant. I'll feel secure, you know, I'll feel ease. Okay. And then number three. How can I feel that way now? So what do I want? How will I feel when I have what I want and how can I feel that way now? So I might not have, you know, the multi-six figure business or seven figure business wherever your listeners are at, but I can, I know I'm gonna feel abundant, secure and ease.
So what is something I can do right now in this moment to feel abundant? Secure and ease. So that is it. It's like that's acting as if. Mm-hmm. That's not fake it till you make it. That's saying like, okay. I'm doing it right now, like I'm ready right now. If I have the idea, it means it's for me right now.
It's not, oh, well I need to wait six months or finish this thing. You know, like, no, no, no. There's something I can do right now to step in and feel that way. And because now I'm doing something to allow me to feel that way. I've now shifted my whole vibration and that energy signal that, you know, we talked about, I'm giving off a different signal.
I'm magnetizing because I feel better. And you can feel that with people, you know, when you meet them. Yeah. Yeah. I love that so much. And I totally appreciate the, the call out on the trying, because you're totally right, like the effort in and of itself is the block. Yeah. And I, I totally feel that. And when you said it, I was like, oh, yeah, okay.
There it is. So it's, so, again, it's easier than we make it, right. We make things so much harder than we need to. Um, yeah. And, and something to your, to follow up with that, Deborah is. I love to tell my clients, you can put this on a post-it note like near your desk to write down number one, how can I make it easier?
And number two, how can I make it more fun? Because whatever it is that you're working on, I promise you there's an easier, faster way, and that's more fun. And if you're like just sitting down to do the task and you're feeling overwhelmed, it's like it's not gonna be as successful because you haven't gotten yourself into a good feeling Place first.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Before you take the action and maybe there's a faster, easier path then the one that you've been so focused on, if you can just open up to it, it might be more uncomfortable, I would say. It's not, it's not hard, it's just uncomfortable. Right. It can be easy and uncomfortable at the same time.
Like you said, that follow up email like, Hey, did you get my proposal? That takes literally one minute. Yeah. It's easy. It's just uncomfortable. Such a good distinguishing, that's such a good distinction because there's so many tasks like that in business that take zero very little time, but are the big, big asks that we need to take to come out of our comfort zone and, and expand to be able to receive that which we're calling in.
All of that is so, so true. , you've already touched upon this, but I the nerd in me the sort of like brainy, like what's behind the scenes, like science girl. I think about this a lot. So what, and maybe we can just jam on this a little bit. Do you think that there's some part of the human brain, like the reticular activating system mm-hmm.
At play in this like, so when we visualize things, we know that the brain, like we are hardwired to. Call into focus the thing that we are thinking about. So when we visualize something that speeds it up, like, you know, something like 60,000 times more because image impacts the way that our brain focuses more than say words or just listening to Yes.
Something. So do you think there's like a saucy combination of like the brain doing the, doing its magical thing with the reticular activating system and something to do with, like you just said, like just shifting energy. Yeah. Is there a spiritual dimension to this? Like, I kind of wonder what the, what the, what the recipe is for how it is becomes easy.
Yeah. Yes, yes. All of the above. And there's also been, scientific research that shows that, blind studies where like, you know, you, you have like images in front of a, you're sitting in front of a computer and the images change, your heart actually gets the information before it goes to your brain.
So your heart receives the information first. It doesn't go brain to heart. So there's like heart, brain. Coherence. So actually getting yourself into a place where you're more open in your heart is helpful. Wow. So if you think about, like in spiritual practices, a lot of times, you know, and I do this in, in my guided visualizations and meditations, like, and this is in reiki, if, if anybody's ever learned or certified in, in healing arts, you learn how to use the energy of the sun and you bring it into your body and you bring it into your heart.
Yeah. And then you allow that light to expand. It doesn't go just into your head. You can do things with your third eye. There's all the chakra points, which are all, you know. There's a lot of scientific evidence to prove all this stuff. Yeah. But your heart is the powerhouse. Right. It's your heart. And I love, just even with what I said about Reiki, it's like you are not doing anything alone.
And I think with, especially when you said, I've got so many solopreneurs as as my clients, you feel like you're doing everything alone, but you're not. And if you can open up to recognize that you are a co-creator, and even if you don't have the physical support of your assistant and a team, you have the support of the universe.
You always are connected. And so it's that heart opening connection of like asking the universe, Hey, you know, this is my to-do list, universe. Here's what I want you to do. You know, I'd like some support with this. Yeah. Right. Is super helpful. I wanna say, I wanna reiterate what you just said because it, it is come up several times now.
I feel like the mindset shift, the core mindset shift here is what you just said, and I wanna repeat it. We are co-creating with the universe. We are not out here floating on the globe, like winging it. Like we're not on our own. We're not like, I have to effort so hard to get what I want. , The fact that we have the vision to go back to the original thing you said is evidence that we are co-creating because that is coming to us through our highly magnetic, you know, nervous system that's connected to all energies in that quantum field.
So if the shift is we are the co-creators, we're co-creating with the universe and all that energy. So if you have the vision, if you have the idea, it's on. Yes. You don't have to mention it, it's on Right. Belief leads directly to the expectation is natural because. And you can believe it because it exists.
Right. And that's that. And that's it. No more work to do. You're done. Yes. Yes. Let it be easy from there. Let it be, let it flow from that place of confidence. Right. And, um, I wanna, there's so much I wanna talk about, but first, just to go off of what you said, yes, we are co-creating with the universe and when, when things don't go as planned, if you think that you're the only one doing it, you beat yourself up.
Yeah. We've all been there. You're like, I messed up. If I didn't do the, and I'm not saying there's not room for, you know, assessment and growth and like, oh, I could do this better. 'cause we all can do that. Yeah. And at the same time. You're not doing anything alone. So if, if something doesn't work out, it's not necessarily your fault.
It's like, well, maybe there's something better that that wasn't the route for you. And because of this obstacle, this amazing new opportunity now appears that you wouldn't have been able to take action on or seen had that other thing worked out, or you know, the obstacle not appeared. So it's like really understanding that gratitude in the obstacle and loving your obstacles.
I took my clients to walk on fire on coals, you know, it was so fun. And what I learned from the shaman who was guiding us is it's not about avoiding the obstacles or pretending the obstacles aren't there, right? Or just like, oh, that obstacle, but it's actually loving the obstacle is how you transmute it.
So it's loving the fire, it's raising your vibration to meet that of the challenge or the obstacle that you're facing. And when you approach it with love. You can walk on the fire and nothing touches your feet. You don't feel anything, you don't have any burn marks. It's amazing. So it's just remembering that like, 'cause we forget, we get so angry or resentful or blah, blah, blah, about, you know, the, you know, okay, well my fam, I'm so busy and I've gotta do this with my kids.
And it's like, okay, it's. I love my kids. You know, I'm grateful that I, I, I'm in the driver's seat. I chose this to be a mom, or I chose to start this business, right? And I am not a victim of my circumstances, but I am literally a co-creator, right? A participant in quantum visits. We call it the participatory universe.
Why? Because we are all participants. We all literally can change our results in an instant based on how we view the situation, how we feel, right? The, the, the heart thing is the feeling place. So it's not just reciting an affirmation that doesn't work because you don't feel it, right? I'm a millionaire.
I'm a millionaire. And then you're like, oh, but my, my bank account is overdrawn. There's a conflict there. Yeah. And it's actually, it can make you feel worse. So if you just recite the affirmation, 'cause you're like, oh my God, but I'm, you know, I'm a fraud or, so I always say, instead of an affirmation, change it to a question.
How can I. Become a millionaire, right? Then there's no conflict. I'm not like saying I'm a millionaire if I'm not, but I'm open. I'm not closed off to it. I'm not saying I can't be a millionaire, or I'm not a millionaire. How can I then, ooh, I'm open to, to finding the way how, what would it, what would a millionaire do?
How would a millionaire feel? You know, how can I feel that way? Do you see how it kind of, it's like more playful. Yeah. Yeah. I love that because it leads perfectly into another question that I have, which is for anyone listening who's like, but I've been doing the vision boards, but I say my affirmations every morning, and ladies, any of my clients and anyone in my programs, we know how we talk about playful creativity at the start of the day.
Pouring into yourself. Yeah. Moving your body, nourishing your body. Making sure you're hydrated. It's like all of that stuff is designed to calm and open yourself to receive. Yeah. You know, you are being poured into by yourself before you go out and serve and empty yourself and meet all of those obstacles.
So I think that's a big piece of it, but that's just aligning yourself to, to feel good, right, right. To feel as you do the work. But for anyone who's listening and thinking like, you know what, I've done the vision boards, I've done the journaling, I say the affirmations, and nothing has shown up for me that I've been trying to quote manifest, and there's the word trying again.
I remember really clearly, this is not probably a decade ago, I hosted an event at my apartment and you, Jen came and gave an incredible visualization for a group of women at the time. I think it was just like a holistic gathering.
It wasn't like specifically business, but, um, do you remember? That was so amazing. Yeah. I still remember clearly , and there's been so many powerful shifts that have happened from the invitation to really think bigger and dream bigger than sort of even the most wildest dream.
Yeah. And there was a, a wonderful thing that you shared with us, and I was hoping you would share it today sort of as a tool for anybody who, may be feeling a block around this. Would you be willing to share the conversation around placing your order like that? Yeah. Yeah,
, I love to use this analogy when I talk about my work and manifesting in general is like when you are setting an intention, it's like you're at your favorite restaurant and we all have a favorite restaurant we can think of, right? And let's say you're at your favorite restaurant and the universe is the kitchen, right?
And you're placing your order to the universe. So if you open up the menu, you have your favorite thing on the menu that you always order, and we all have that. You know, you love it, it's delicious, you're excited to get it. But let's say that today there's a special on the menu, and the special has all of the ingredients that you love, but you've never had it.
You don't know if you're gonna like it, and you kind of wanna stick to that regular thing you always order, right? And I think this is so true with all of us. Like we keep. Playing it safe, right? With the things that we know. And so we're ordering that thing over and over again versus like, what if we ordered the special?
What if that special totally changed our lives? But we don't know if we don't order the special. Right? So number one, order the special, right? Yeah. And then number two, like, okay, you're at the restaurant, the waiter comes, takes your order. Let's say you do order the special. Okay. And that waiter takes your order to the kitchen.
The kitchen starts to make your order right, because the universe is a yes universe. It's a mirror, it's a reflection. Like of course it's gonna happen. And so the, the kitchen starts to make it, let's say you order a pizza and it's this beautiful wood-fired oven and you know, that was this amazing pizza.
But now in your head you're like, oh my God, I shouldn't have ordered the pizza. I shouldn't have the gluten in the dairy. Let's not talk about health stuff. Let's just, you know, like you're, whatever your thing is, you're like, I should have gotten the, you know, the vegan kale Cesar salad or whatever. What happens is you start to send mixed messages to the universe.
'cause the kitchen already started to make your order. And we do this all the time. You're like, and even just what you said trying to manifest, and now you're second guessing 'cause it, it hasn't happened yet. And so you're like, I don't know if it's actually gonna happen. Maybe I should change my order.
Right. So number one, keep your order. Like trust that it's going to happen. Yeah. The kitchen is making your amazing special, right? Like you're not gonna leave the restaurant having not eaten, right? Like you've already ordered. You're not gonna leave the restaurant hungry. Like you don't doubt that you're ever gonna get served.
Sometimes it's annoying and you flag down the waiter and you're like, Hey, can you check on my order? That's that little nudge. Hey, did you see my proposal? Yeah. Right. But it's not like, oh, well they're not gonna ever reply, you know? No. Like you are going to get served. And so I think that's the other thing is like trusting it's going to happen.
Not changing your order. You can always change your mind. Once you've experienced something like, gosh, you evolve and grow. That's, you're always changing and growing. Change is the natural state of the universe and so, and expansion. So of course like you're gonna have another thing that comes once you manifest that one big dream, I promise you another big dream is gonna reveal itself, but you take action on that one thing that you are able to see.
We're all psychic. We all are intuitive. We might not call ourselves psychic, but you have something that's there for you that you're kind of wanting whether you see it or feel it. Right? Yeah. And so if you move towards that thing, I promise you the next thing is gonna be revealed. And it's like if you finally take action on that thing that that, you know intuitively, not because society told you you should do it, but intuitively you're like, Ooh, I really think I should do this.
Even though it's scary when you finally act on that, it's like your spirit guides, or the universe is like, oh, Jen's finally listening, right? So I'm gonna give her more. And then like more stuff comes and it's just continuing to take action and stepping out of your comfort zone. That's the ordering the special.
It's like everything you know that you've already manifested, you know what it feels like because you've already experienced it. So everything that you wanna manifest is new. You don't know what it's going to feel like. And that's scary. And so it's just remembering like every time I'm getting uncomfortable, this is a good thing.
This means I'm moving to what I want. Discomfort is a good thing. So it's reframing that discomfort as like, Ooh, you know, I'm stepping into the new, I'm getting, you know, I'm receiving. And I love that you talked about the experience of the guided visualization that I do. Because it's true. People come to me with like the walk in the door, big dream.
And what I do is I'm like, oh, I see that and raise you. I see, right? I see you going even further. And that feels really scary at first. But what happens is if you can expand the big dream, then that walk in the door, big dream feels really easy. 'cause you're like, oh, I'm going here. Not only am I gonna have a book, but I'm gonna be like a New York Times bestselling author, and then there's gonna be a movie, or you know, whatever.
So then the writing the book is like, ah, that's nothing. Yeah. I love this so much. I've been, I actually, this is a, not a trick, but like a tool that I've been offering to some of my clients about pricing. Yeah. Because they, they have nervous system blocks around charging their worth and been there totally struggled with that in my young career, especially like when I first started the juice truck, which, yeah.
You know. Well, um, it's, it's just like, I just remember being afraid. Like having my mind in other people's pocketbooks and, and assuming because I had struggled or because I was raised working middle class and we didn't have like exorbitant wealth, that everyone's mindset must be conservative around spending, that everybody might be struggling to pay their rent.
Like that sort of artist starving artist mentality really helped me back. But now I think about this a lot. You know, what is the premium price that you're going to charge, that your services are worth that is much, much bigger than what you're currently charging?
Can you go ahead and create that offer? Can you go ahead and create that super high ticket pricing that may feel absolutely wildly out of your comfort zone right now? In order to put it in perspective, you know, the thing that you're currently charging for your business, for your offer. Like, you know, whether it's just, whether it's a one hour of your time or a six month program.
Yeah. You know, you've come up with a price that's based on your belief in your worth. Your pricing is about your identity, not the, not what someone else can afford. There's gonna be somebody out there that can afford your offer, \ the right people are not even gonna question it.
Right. And can we just talk about that a little bit? About Yeah. And also, and also it's not just your identity, and this is where I think it trips up entrepreneurs is it's not, I am worth whatever the price tag is, but it's the value of the transformation that you provide. Yes. Thank you. And so, you know, I've raised my prices over the years.
Right. And it's, and it could be the same thing that I'm doing for someone that now I, I charge so much more for, but it's the value of the transformation, what that's worth to somebody, you know? So now I can have someone pay me $50,000, you know, and like wire it to me. Mm-hmm. And my nervous system can receive that.
Yeah. Right. But. It's the value of the transformation that I'm providing for that person where I'm changing their whole life, you know? And it's not Jen is worth this or, you know, whatever. Like my book is, you know, $17 or whatever it is. You know, like, it's like, it's, it's not, well, I'm only worth it, you know, like I had a session today with someone who paid me, you know, one off to do a visioning session with her, right.
That it's like more than probably I would ever have thought I would be making for an hour of my time. Right? Yeah. Like, and this is how you change things. I love to do this exercise and everyone can do this really fast, but just to expand what you believe is possible. What was your best day like?
Do you re know how much money you've ever made in a day and write it down? Right? And then what if that was your every day? Then calculate that. What would that mean for the year if that was your new normal every single day? Right. This is fun to do. You could do what was your best month?
And then what if that was your every month? Now, next one. How, what was your best year? Right? How much money have you made in a year? Now what if you take what you made in a year and you move that to your month? So, you know, okay, my best year was, um, you know, $350,000. What if I made $350,000 a month?
What would that be? Yeah. Right. So, and I've done this. So like, you know, if I think about, gosh, when I first was out of art school and, you know, my job that I got was $30,000 for the year. Then it was very e then I'd be, you know, 30,000 a month done. Then it was like, okay, I was at 350 a year. Then I made $350,000 in a week.
Nice. Right. So it's like, how can I change my mindset? This is play, it sounds like totally crazy, but it's just, even just playing with numbers is another way of setting intentions. I do this with my private clients, like we do a spreadsheet, you know, and it's just playing, well, how could I get to that number?
I wanna make X amount of money. Okay, well let's just play. What does that mean? What are your offers? How much money? You know? Yeah. How many people would you sell at that offer? Oh, oh my gosh, it's so easy to make seven figures or whatever it is. Like, I didn't see that before because you, your brain couldn't make sense of it.
Yeah. So sometimes it's just like, oh wow. Like I see that path. It might not be exactly that, but if you can open up. It's much easier. It's like, you know, setting goals, it's all proven. You're more likely to get closer to them. Yeah. If you actually set them, if you, if you expand it higher, you're gonna get higher.
You might not reach it exactly, but you're gonna get much closer to it because you got, you know, you expanded it. So when you do those offers or you know, how many clients do you want? Let's set a goal, let's set that intention of how many people you want to sign up this month or this, you know? Yeah.
Because then you've got a number in mind. Otherwise you're like, I dunno, it's all good. You know, however many just, it goes back to if you were at a restaurant, you wouldn't just sell the, tell the waiter like, I don't know, like pick something off the menu for me. Right. You would, you would say, can you put the dressing on the side?
Right. Because you know exactly how you want it. You know how you want it. And it's, the action to take is to ask for exactly what you want in detail. Yes. We have to talk about your book. Let me fan girl out for five seconds here. I'm gonna hold the book up. Manifesting made easy. You guys, this book is freaking gold.
How old is this book now? It's almost 10 years. It's, it was came out in 2016. Okay. I love this book. I'm a book nerd. I sometimes when you find like I've read Atomic Habits, it's like four times. This book is a book you can read multiple times and every time you read it, you'll advance your knowledge.
This is like, this is where the magic meets the practice, y'all. Everybody go to my show notes or go to Jen's website and buy her book. And I'm not joking around, I'm, it's like actually telling you to do this. How to harness the law of attraction and get what you really want. And basically it is just a step by step, easy read.
The lessons are short, the stories are impactful, and the exercises, every single chapter has a how to apply it. And everything we're talking about today is in this book, but in just like simple, totally understandable. Practical. Anyone can do this and should lessons, and I love it so much.
Because it changes the way you think about what is possible for you in a really simple read. So aw, thanks Deborah. I love your book. That is so sweet. So yes, manifesting me and easy, I, I have a story. I don't know if you know this. When I first had the idea to write my book, I was on a call with my coach at the time and I was just like, oh, I think I have a book within me. And, um, she was my coach, so she was like, awesome Jen, you know, I can help you.
Um. She didn't say like, that's a stupid idea, Jen. I don't think you could be an author. Right? How many of us have naysayers in our lives? But she just held that vision for me and reflected it back. She was believing eyes and I didn't take action yet. I just was like, okay, you know, I'm gonna write a book.
And a week after I said it out loud, I got an email from a publishing company asking me to write a book, and I was like, this is too crazy. Like this must be some, some marketing scheme. Like they want me to pay them to, you know, be an author. And my dream publisher was Simon and Schuster, and this was a publishing house I'd never heard of.
But I was like, let me look it up. And it was a real publishing house, so I was like, okay, like I'll get on a call with them and I get on a call with them. They offered me a paid book deal to write my book. They were like, we love your voice. We'd love something like Manifesting Made Easy. And so, um, long story short, I reached out to my one friend at the time who was a published author.
She wrote fiction. And I was like, can you introduce me to a literary agent to negotiate my book deal? And she reached out to a, you know, a bunch of different people and introduced me to a bunch of guys and they were not interested in manifestation. But then she emailed one woman and she said, yes, I'd love to represent you.
I negotiate my book deal. As I'm writing my book, my small publishing house gets bought by Simon and Schuster, my dream publisher. So I became a Simon and Schuster published author. I didn't have to write a book proposal. They came to me. It happened way faster and way easier than we think it has to happen.
I always say like, there's a third door, how can I make it easier? And also, I recognized the opportunity even though it wasn't my dream, dream, I was like, well, this is in alignment. Yeah, I'm gonna explore this. And then as I was writing my book. Um, I got approached by a woman I met at a conference to create a board game and an adult board game.
Good. I love it. And, um, it was a great idea. It was her dream and she loved my work as Queen of Manifestations. So I was like, yeah, I, I'd love to do this with you. This sounds like fun. And so we create this adult board game called Sparked that nobody had known about because we had a prototype being made in China.
So the prototype is being made and I get my book cover designed by Simon and Schuster, and they send me my book cover and you guys will just have to look up my website who aren't seeing this on, on, um, line. But my book cover and my board game match, they're both turquoise with gold and white sparks. And it's crazy because it's what I talk about, like the fact that these completely match, and I did not brand this.
I designed the game and the. Publishing has designed, my book cover just shows you that, that your dream is a universe dream for you. And we are a hundred percent connected all the time in this quantum field. And that the fact that the, you know, person designing my book had this idea to make it turquoise blue, it's just shows she's receiving, right?
Like we're all receiving the vision and we're all meant to play our part. Your dream clients are your soulmate clients who you're here to help. You know, like it, you're meant to work with the people who you have the desire to work with. And so I could talk all about what's in the book, but I just wanna share that story of the manifestation of it and that side project board game.
Launch. You know, first on Kickstarter we raised $60,000. Then I got to play it at Ted. Then like I get an email from Lincoln Motors asking me to be in a car commercial talking about my board game, and they're gonna pay me and fly me to California. Like just all these crazy, you know, things happen because I said yes to something that was fun that I was like, oh, I'm into this.
Like, so you just never know is my point. Like, it might not be exactly as you thought it was gonna be, but say yes to the things that light you up that you're curious about. You can always, you know, change your mind, but like go a hundred percent into the things that light you up, you know? Yeah. I love it so much that actually, so I know we don't have tons more time, but I wanna ask about kind of managing all of this.
Running a multifaceted business, you have an unbelievable alignment in your, the birth story of your two absolutely beautiful children, my SAG family, and just as a mom and a business owner, how do you personally stay in alignment with, you know, these desires and keep your practice fresh? And, and just if there's any tip that you have.
And I just think also if someone is listening and they're ready to manifest their next level life, um, but they're feeling unsure of what the next step to take is, what might you say to that person? It's kind of a combo question. Yeah. Um, so alignment is a, a practice manifesting is a practice. It's not a one and done.
It's every day is a new day. And so I think it's just being gentle with yourself and approaching it as like, this is a new day. What do I wanna feel? What do I wanna experience? Because I think that myth of balance is a myth, right? And I love to think of everything as a wave. And there's high tide and there's low tide, and.
It's different when you're inspired and you're taking inspired action. And you might have a lot to do, you know, because you're working on a project versus overacting because you're freaking out that things aren't going to work. So like that hustling, overacting, you're out of alignment. Yeah. But you can still have a lot of action or you might have a full plate and you can still be in alignment.
There's a difference, right? Like, you know, the stages of of being a mom are your kids. And now my, both of my kids were born the same day, nine years apart, both home births, right? So that's what Deborah just alluded to. That's another story that,
but um, but like, okay, so there's this season of like breastfeeding or ugh, this is gonna be forever, but it's like, okay, in that moment. What do I love? You know, like, how can I enjoy this moment? Because when you enjoy the moment, time moves really fast. Yeah. So it's about how you approach each moment, right?
And finding the good in each moment. Like, I've got a, you know, we talk about prioritizing and all the same things probably you teach, right? But it's like, I might not get every single thing done, but what am I doing to move the needle the furthest on the things that I know are going to be the most important and move my big dream forward, even if they're the most uncomfortable, right?
I'm gonna do those things first. So it's, it's these small little actions you don't. Have to do something every single day. You get to, you can, you know, write your gratitude, which gets you in a good feeling place. Or just think about it as you are on your pillow at night. You know, before you go to bed and replay your favorite parts of the day to yourself if you don't have time to write your gratitude.
'cause you're busy with all these other things, right? So it's kind of like, how can I make it work for me? And it's okay if it's not, you're not gonna mess anything up because you didn't do something one day or you did, right? It's, it's the over time, what's the belief, what's the pattern? That's what makes the difference.
And so manifesting as a practice and if you wanna get better at the practice and learn these things that I'm teaching and talking about, I do have a 40 day program called Manifestation Masters. It's my signature program. Um, I've been teaching it for 13, 14 years now. And, um, we have one that starts, for people listening September 21st.
So if you're curious about that, definitely. Um, look at my manifestation Master's program, 'cause that'd be a great step to actually apply all the things. And you've got my feedback for 40 days, like looking at your specific dreams. Incredibly valuable. I everything is at the queen of manifestation.com online, correct?
Yeah. Queen of manifestation.com. Mm-hmm. Okay. I'm putting those links in my show notes. Um, and that's the best way for us to dive into your world, right? Visit your website, buy the book, and , I noticed there was something on the homepage of your website that was maybe a downloadable guide, like a journal.
Is that correct? Yeah, so there's two different things. I'm not sure what's on there right now, but you can get my audio visualization, which I highly recommend highly. You should just get that. I highly recommend as well. Yeah, it's like a 15 minute visualization and I expand your vision into something bigger.
It's really great. So do that. Um, I might have like a guidebook. That's awesome as well. There's just, there's a lot of resources. So go to queen of manifestation.com and sign up and, and get them. And for anyone who's ready to step into the container and get the support from Jen, the manifestation master starts September 21st, you said?
Yeah. Exciting. Okay, Jen, my final question for you is, what's something that you are most excited about right now and really looking forward to? Aw, um, gosh, there's so much. I think right now it might be my next Bali trip 'cause I'm going back in November and I love Bali so much. Um. Also just being in this place with my family.
My daughter just started high school and um, it's just an exciting time, like seeing her develop. It's a totally new school. She got into this international school and just like seeing her with these friends. We were there last night and it was just so. Amazing. I love just seeing my kids blossom. My son's four and in in Montessori preschool.
So I think it's just everything. It's like the stuff that I'm creating, but also really enjoying kind of watching my kids blossom on their own, which is just so fun. My sister's daughter is leaving tomorrow for college, so as soon as we hang up, I'm heading to Boston so that I can be there for the last, 'cause she's going to Mississippi and it's like pretty far away and it's so exciting.
You know, I'm, I'm so as her aunt, I'm so excited for like a whole new chapter of her life to begin so I can, yeah, imagine that's for Nyla. Just like stepping into this whole new world, new communication, new friends, new community, new new identity. Yeah, totally. It's exciting. Oh, I love that so much. Well, thank you so much.
There is so much good gold in this, in this conversation. I cannot wait to share this with my audience and yeah, I'm just so grateful for this time and anything that you wanna say before we sign off? Just that, if you can imagine it, you can create it. And so why not create the most amazing thing you can possibly dream up for yourself?
There it is. Ladies and gentlemen. If you take nothing else away from this, that's the one thing. Um, thank you so much Jen, and for all our listeners, thanks so much for being on this journey with us. As always, have an amazing week. I'll see you sometime next week, and may you be vibrant.